[Un sous-corps des réels définissant un ensemble non mesurable]
In the area of Tame Geometry, different model-theoretic tameness conditions are established and their relationships are analyzed. We construct a subfield $K$ of the real numbers that lacks several such tameness properties. As our main result, we present a first-order formula in the language of rings defining a set in $K$ that is not Lebesgue measurable. Moreover, $K$ has the independence property and admits both archimedean and non-archimedean orderings.
Dans le domaine de la géométrie modérée, différentes conditions de modération de théorie des modèles sont établies et leurs relations sont analysées. Nous construisons un sous-corps $K$ des nombres réels qui ne satisfait pas plusieurs de ces propriétés de modération. Comme résultat principal, nous présentons une formule du premier ordre dans le langage des anneaux définissant un ensemble dans $K$ qui n’est pas Lebesgue-mesurable. De plus, $K$ a la propriété de l’indépendance et admet à la fois des ordres archimédiens et non archimédiens.
Keywords: Borel measurable, first-order definable, Lebesgue measurable, NIP, non-measurable, tame geometry
Lothar Sebastian Krapp  1 , 2 ; Matthieu Vermeil  3 , 4 ; Laura Wirth  2
CC-BY-ND 4.0
Lothar Sebastian Krapp; Matthieu Vermeil; Laura Wirth. A Subfield of the Reals Defining a Non-Measurable Set. Publications mathématiques de Besançon. Algèbre et théorie des nombres (2026), pp. 71-85. doi: 10.5802/pmb.71
@article{PMB_2026____71_0,
author = {Lothar Sebastian Krapp and Matthieu Vermeil and Laura Wirth},
title = {A {Subfield} of the {Reals} {Defining} a {Non-Measurable} {Set}},
journal = {Publications math\'ematiques de Besan\c{c}on. Alg\`ebre et th\'eorie des nombres},
pages = {71--85},
year = {2026},
publisher = {Presses universitaires de Franche-Comt\'e},
doi = {10.5802/pmb.71},
language = {en},
url = {https://pmb.centre-mersenne.org/articles/10.5802/pmb.71/}
}
TY - JOUR AU - Lothar Sebastian Krapp AU - Matthieu Vermeil AU - Laura Wirth TI - A Subfield of the Reals Defining a Non-Measurable Set JO - Publications mathématiques de Besançon. Algèbre et théorie des nombres PY - 2026 SP - 71 EP - 85 PB - Presses universitaires de Franche-Comté UR - https://pmb.centre-mersenne.org/articles/10.5802/pmb.71/ DO - 10.5802/pmb.71 LA - en ID - PMB_2026____71_0 ER -
%0 Journal Article %A Lothar Sebastian Krapp %A Matthieu Vermeil %A Laura Wirth %T A Subfield of the Reals Defining a Non-Measurable Set %J Publications mathématiques de Besançon. Algèbre et théorie des nombres %D 2026 %P 71-85 %I Presses universitaires de Franche-Comté %U https://pmb.centre-mersenne.org/articles/10.5802/pmb.71/ %R 10.5802/pmb.71 %G en %F PMB_2026____71_0
[1] Measure theory. Vol. I, Springer, 2007, xvii+500 pages | DOI | Zbl | MR
[2] Measure theory. Vol. II, Springer, 2007, xiii+575 pages | DOI | Zbl | MR
[3] Measure theory, Birkhäuser, 1980, ix+373 pages | DOI | Zbl | MR
[4] Some model theory for almost real closed fields, J. Symb. Log., Volume 61 (1996) no. 4, pp. 1121-1152 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[5] Tame Topology and o-minimal Structures, London Mathematical Society Lecture Note Series, 248, Cambridge University Press, 1998, x+180 pages | DOI | Zbl | MR
[6] Definable valuations induced by multiplicative subgroups and NIP fields, Arch. Math. Logic, Volume 58 (2019) no. 7-8, pp. 819-839 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[7] Valued Fields, Springer Monographs in Mathematics, Springer, 2005 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[8] Tameness beyond o-minimality (2025) (preprint, https://www.math.uni-bonn.de/people/phierony/Tameness_Fields.pdf)
[9] Die Axiome der Quantität und die Lehre vom Mass, Leipz. Ber., Volume 53 (1901), pp. 1-64 | Zbl
[10] The classification of dp-minimal and dp-small fields, J. Eur. Math. Soc., Volume 25 (2023) no. 2, pp. 467-513 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[11] First order tameness of measures, Ann. Pure Appl. Logic, Volume 163 (2012) no. 12, pp. 1903-1927 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[12] Approximating Volumes and Integrals in o-Minimal and p-Minimal Theories, Connections between model theory and algebraic and analytic geometry (Angus Macintyre, ed.) (Quaderni di Matematica), Volume 6, Aracne, 2000, pp. 149-177 | Zbl
[13] Classical Descriptive Set Theory, Graduate Texts in Mathematics, 156, Springer, 1995, xx+402 pages | DOI | Zbl | MR
[14] Bewertungen mit reeller Henselisierung, J. Reine Angew. Math., Volume 286/287 (1976), pp. 314-321 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[15] Ordered fields dense in their real closure and definable convex valuations, Forum Math., Volume 33 (2021) no. 4, pp. 953-972 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[16] Strongly NIP almost real closed fields, Math. Log. Q., Volume 67 (2021) no. 3, pp. 321-328 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[17] On Tameness, Measurability and the Independence Property (2025) | arXiv | Zbl
[18] Measurability in the Fundamental Theorem of Statistical Learning (2025) | arXiv | Zbl
[19] Model Theory: An Introduction, Graduate Texts in Mathematics, 217, Springer, 2002, viii+342 pages | DOI | Zbl | MR
[20] Definable sets in ordered structures. I, Trans. Am. Math. Soc., Volume 295 (1986), pp. 565-592 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[21] A Course in Model Theory: An Introduction to Contemporary Mathematical Logic, Universitext, Springer, 2000, xxxi+443 pages | DOI | Zbl | MR
[22] Definability and decision problems in arithmetic, J. Symb. Log., Volume 14 (1949), pp. 98-114 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[23] The undecidability of pure transcendental extensions of real fields, Z. Math. Logik Grundlagen Math., Volume 10 (1964), pp. 275-282 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[24] ‘Stability, the f.c.p., and Superstability; Model Theoretic Properties of Formulas in First Order Theory, Ann. Math. Logic, Volume 3 (1971), pp. 271-362 | DOI | Zbl | MR
[25] A Guide to NIP Theories, Lecture Notes in Logic, 44, Cambridge University Press, 2015, vii+156 pages | DOI | Zbl | MR
[26] A Course on Borel Sets, Graduate Texts in Mathematics, 180, Springer, 1998, xvi+261 pages | DOI | Zbl | MR
[27] Sur les distances des points des ensembles de mesure positive, Fundam. Math., Volume 1 (1920), pp. 93-104 | DOI | Zbl
Cité par Sources :